mainisid teid: Can't we PG 18 this shit? I'm serious. I get freedom of speech and religion and all that, but there should be some legal justification for rating this PG 18? Just blame it on the bloody animal carcass
Can't we PG 18 this shit? I'm serious. I get freedom of speech and religion and all that, but there should be some legal justification for rating this PG 18? Just blame it on the bloody animal carcass or something. Children shouldn't be brought to this brainwash museum.
I feel sorry for atheists in the US, having to deal with all this fuckwittery.
+Julian Nikolay Krogh-Fredriksen I start up with an insult "Thinking and Atheists" this is humorous thought for a people of higher intelligence like people who know Creation. At least that's good attempt (the museum) for a truth, they do what they can.
The ending comments was so ironic to see "oh.. this is not science.." lol, yes Sherlock, it is not, as science is to young and small for that. For now. But we getting luckily every day closer to the brain washed (not really a washed, as minds are dirty) people who barely are able to reach to understand the life in this "13.4 billion.. " or whatever numbers they invent large "cosmos"
You should really start to eat in woods some proper amount of magic mushrooms (for starters, before other plants) to even start to understand what these Sins and invasion of human species means. Or who ever is the one talked about in proverbs 8.27..31 for example, did You think about it? Or meaning of last sentence in old testament?
People are so terribly robotized that they not even see they used as cattle, living in packs top of each other, most people grow up with 0 farming and nature related skills ... even greater number so "smart" that not even able to live with out electricity or money for a year, and to be happy.
You do know, that time travel and parallel travel technology has been LONG time ago available to common people, no metals needed, that will laugh out nearly about everything you have learned in higher university almost in any department ()unless you work in CIA OR KGB higher special operation departments.. they kind of know what religions is about.. more..)
+Margus Meigo+Julian Nikolay Krogh-Fredriksen soon there will be illegal to be mentally disabled (atheist) and to be in any position that involves other people life managing. As this kind of child play with life, where people are SO blind to most basic even.. AND are allowed to just walk on earth as equals... and say and think whatever they imagine they can, this must stop and will stop for sure, as evolution progresses..
Just takes "time" with so great amount of species, all related to humans now. and other planetary and non planetary beings and life forms... to educate them all at once (as with sex and wrong menu and fight mentality we have infected so much of a nature and other life locations.. that they just can not be done one by one...)
but this shall become.. all the "science" is just kids toys in most part to educate human species of higher workings and tools, so our mind would be able to realize how billion species can get some kind of message at same time.. for example, for that there is wifi + some other mind related information from Russians.. so we would be able to realize how species can be made to move in one or another direction be on time, but this is just one small example.
but yeah.. it is kind of sad and funny to look atheist kind of people. who so argue against something they not able to receive as they mind is disabled, retarded naturally for these things, but at same time they are TO Afraid to make one week vegetarian diet and then smoke, alcohol and cafe free setting use 2-3 times "Level 5" amount of magic mushrooms or at least 300 to 500 MICROgramms LSD-25 .. (more then twice..) .. and see if that has changed Your fundamental beliefs or you still imagine that 2+2 is 4, always, or it matter what 2 and what 2 You add together how and why and when.
+bob loblaw i give answer so there would be less effort for the ones who are still not even able to figure out with all the university studies, that bible is the most correct collection of words there is on earth for now, can not expect to much from a people... so always help along : )
+Margus Meigo Are you sure? It really seems like the dictionary is "the most correct collection of words," after all, they are the acknowledged authority on "correct," and they've gone to the trouble of organizing their collection alphabetically.
+bob loblaw no dictionary Would be if it would be honest one (perhaps there would be in future one), but current common ones are "tools to make people think that they know what the correct meaning of words are" in general most people not even read the dictionary and after reading one they still not able to know what is good or not, as this was not current dictionary aims. In fact, it is known fact that dictionary is one of the main, most often used tool to mislead people of knowing what the world is. (but same time, they are really valuable of looking, what they try to present, how and often times, the old latin and entomological ones do at times give half glues about what is going on.... but mostly only if one knows what is good and what is not, )
+Margus Meigo Haha! Wtf? Nah, it is not "known fact," that's some of the most ridiculously stupid nonsense I have ever seen anyone assert, and I've seen some really ridiculously stupid nonsense asserted. Hell, once I saw some idiot assert that "the bible is the most correct collection of words there is on earth.."
+Julian Nikolay Krogh-Fredriksen TIme travel is not a conspiracy you silly un evolved, it is basic part of human mind that will take many life times to discover if You keep up your level of education below the fear of god. Seriously, i my self have been traveled not just in time but also in parallel direction in worlds, but what you would know about that, you still live in University world that was made by greek-romans to keep morons in slavery, to use these slaves then to keep other slaves.. actually we should pity you and feel sorry but because you ended up in that situation because of Your parents arrogance, perhaps many generations ago... then should we? We rather use your kind for what You are useful for. Let you play your game and we will use it as display for coming generations "see what happes if people miss out from teachings we have to share..."
+Julian Nikolay Krogh-Fredriksen for second You lack knowledge of shamanic arts and Estonia Earth secrets, you probably come from country that even do not have roots more then few thousand years, (near my place is our country oldest village settlement, over 10 000 years old, also our calendar is like this.. )
and this at ALL does not bother me to say, that world of Yours is just little over 5000 years young, how.. well.. if You so smart, thin it out yourself as well.
+bob loblaw well, if i say it is so, then the idiot who also told that might be correct, as i am rarely less then correct about things that is.
But seriously now, i will go now, it is fun to entertain our kind with atheist kind but it is not nice thing to make fun of atheists as it is like picking on mentally retarded and give them tasks... that they are designed not to handle.
But some other days.. when You are able to rap Your head around, what is difference between Roman and Jew thinking.. then let us know..
i do not wanna sound like a dick but, i just must retrain my self to pick on easy targets
+Margus Meigo Haha! Yeah, you're just terrible at communicating in writing, and you misspelled "wrap" mr "rarely less thEn correct." I didn't even realize you were picking on anybody. I thought you were just using this thread to practice for special olympics debate team tryouts. I was even going to wish you luck because I didn't think you had a chance.
+Margus Meigo Its Ironic that you call Atheists Robotic! Pay attention dipshit, to the "Origins" of your Bible.
In 3,000 BC; Horus, an Egyptian man-god were reported to have these characteristics:
Born of a Virgin Born on Dec 25 Star in the East 3 Kings pay homage at birth Teacher at 12 Had 12 Disciples Start Ministry at 30 Performed Miracles Crucified Dead for 3 Days Resurrected
Many other heroes shared similar traits prior and during the time of Jesus.
The flood is nearly identical in the Bible and the Epic of Gilgamesh (2,600BC).
The story of the Moses was first told in 2250BC as "Sargon's Birth." In it, Sargon was put into a reed basket and set adrift in river to avoid infanticide. Later rescued by royalty.
The 10 commandments were already in the Book of the Dead. Examples: I have not stolen = Thou shall not steal I have not killed = Thou shall not kill I have not told lies = Thou shall not bear false witness ...
The hero/messiah stories stem from an intimate experience of early mankind trying to make sense of his environment, specifically the sun and the stars which seemed to have extreme esoteric qualities.
The motion of the sun from the earth goes down until the Winter solstice, where it pauses for three days, only to start rising in the sky again. This is now known as a effect of earth's ellipse around the sun where the sun sits higher in the sky in the summers as compared to the winter. The stars were organized into 12 zodiac signs, each sign having their own personality.
These two pervasive human experiences were mythologized early on by many cultures, creating a super being of light battling the darkness with the "son" dying for 3 days and arising in conquest of the dark. As man sees the stars "move" in precession of the equinoxes so do the eras, bringing in more mythology. A precession through all of the 12 signs is about a 26,000 year cycle and each age = about 2,150 years. For example: Taurus was 4300 BC - 2150 BC; Aries was 2150 BC-1 AD; and we are now in the age of Pisces which is 1 AD-2150 AD. We moved from worshiping the golden calf to the fisher of men, ushered in by a perfect being of light concurring darkness by rising again. The Alpha and the Omega.
These mythologies were canonized in the bible with a Christian mythological focus at 325 during the council of Nicea. The rest, as they say, is history...Bye. Dick!!
LOL. Ridiculous isn't it? People have always had the need to understand patterns. Its just Human Nature. The foundations in a belief "Similar" to the Bible's was already in place. Had been for a long time. As well as Horus, 5000bc. Pagan beliefs also have similarities. "25th December, the Winter Solstice for example. And sorry. Jesus was not born on the 25th of December Christians. If he ever existed. It doesn't say? It would be an "Unbelievable" coincidence if any text says he was! Given the significance of that date in Beliefs WAY older.
+Web -Trawler yes everything You just counted, WAS AS ROBOTIC thinking as it can be, this is EXACTLY what we talking about, as You looking time as some freaking line, linear line... and you fail to have any realization about upper and lower worlds, parallel worlds and departments of time and oh.. so many other things. You even fail to realize what is tuned in To your mind when You come in to this world so you can have your nice safe imaginary time line and all that. This "book" is written OUTSIDE of time you .. what You call me again? yes, that but i guess, in your "non robotic mind" is a bit hard to even start to imagine what am talking about, i recommend you to take some heavy hallucinogenics dosage cures, for few years.. then You MIGHT start to get the picture, and You MIGHT even get a soul (did you think you can just have it by not even believing one ? No You are used used for tool.. as robot. if u not got one.. ) .. and You will be flushed with your "world" when this department of world design is becoming a bit useless or a bit to annoying about "smartness" and they start to put their nose to large scale in to parallel worlds before learning respect
and if you know latest news in internet.. then we are to close of another ... what they call it in bible.. what they build.. so they had to come here and make an order ?
It is a bit more complicated but is enough, to use this to explain to smarter people, why they should shut it and unplug some projects, if they wanna keep the human species
It is so ridiculously funny how "atheists" think time works and interpret in their head their imagination how others understand beliefs and regions who have COMPLETELY another kind of thinking,
it is always SAME story.. "oh there have been so many jesus storyes before.. similar ones.." oh there have been so many 3 wize man storyes" "oh there have been so many flood sotoryes"
exactly! yeah.. we got it, you try to be more advanced primate and was able to get some information about parallel happenings that is infused party with that world. but did You understand it? ANY of these storyes and why they are here, and how ?
Normal mind would think. that more proof You find, from what ever time you imagine these things to be.. then more interested and serious one should be about it.. but no.. instead they start to believe even less.. how much wrong more one can get? You should start to believe then MORE i tell You, and the last version should be SPECIALLY clean and pure, easy to read and believe, in nearly any larger human language...
But still you need more something?
Did You read OLD testament Last sentence? You just get that part for a starters, and then you might even figure out one of the most important point of bible, from our makers point of view.. as you can not travel time in proper if you cut urself off from parents and children, you know that basic right ?
and next if you wanna get specially advanced, and u got the last testament last sentence .. then look up the Proverbs 8:29..31 ... and try to get that.. answer.. outside.. internet.. from a priests.. who are NOT from Greek education, but who are from a PROPER Hebrew or Estonia Old Earth Belief side.. or some shamans.. and get answer that from them (oh.. and why She, you ask? And why before Earth ? And Why Vatican also thinks man was cloned first and later on he was given female? By her self )
+bob loblaw in short they think time is something to argue about, lame ones think as linear, and clever ones still lack the ability to think time as something that can be paused by outside observer for starters, or bypassed, skipped, atheists think time also works one way only in most normal life examples and usages, in most cases, and they are unable to even test on them self most basic time travel tools commonly available, starting from fly-mushroom, (not on one time short usage..).. most atheists also not able to see time as departments. For common lame layman simple religious people, at least get the basics that time events that is used on us here, is on cycles, but that the time and evens of the time are not the same and they can happen personally (time can be used on different people differently, one can be on war and isolated neighbor not on same time, often it is not used like that but that can be, and is, on smaller scale almost always, as there is also personal time (and not just ONE time, you can also tune in to faster time and slower one and pick what kind of information flow is on what time... )) time is like information electricity for humans that (is intended to) sucks you on to direction, and you can change it like a channel, you can also change You age..but this is something we leave for another time.. you can literally surf on it as well
Okey, maybe You can not, when is not allowed, but when it is needed and useful for smarter ones, then "you" can as well, to perform some of that, with ease
also you can change how You feel about time and about yourself, by going back on time, on to situations that hard tuned You to feel one or another way about what world and time is ... and then on present time, where you initiated in, on that point there the direction and perception will be reconfigured, this is little bit another living matter then time related to that as well, and also... for what reasons you do, .. as you will also .. might be taken away from seeing the best options, EASY.. if that is not needed for You jet, as who you are connected, and who you want to be connected .. these people sensing of time usually must be comparable as well, to flow on same time wave
+Margus Meigo It´s a sad reality, that we still have so many creationists that give far too much credit to ancient myth like the tower of bable, in a time with SPACESTATIONS Please realise that you people are a shame for our modern species!!!
+bob loblaw Yes, its called Me. But silly can ask more then smart bothers to spend time to answer. Usually, : ) So You can be ashamed less later on, maybe no friend has told You that before or older person, but: this was REALLY retarded question You asked, as beings asking these kind of questions are not made for this kind of information, their make up are not created for this. Its like try to feed AM radio signal and try to get Live internet from it, its just not made for that, possible is everything but it is just not needed. As there is Use for Your kind, there is use for other kind. You can still be on peace as You not able to believe in larger life so technically it is NO crime to NOT provide this for you, just to turn You off as robot after its absolute (or maybe copy these parts of technical information You collected, if anything useful). It would be to much waste of processes to send You to live between parallel life(s) and upper life, as You lack belief and ask to much instead of daring to go and look Yourself, tools are all around the nature, to get proofs if You are made for it.
And it is proven more then thousands of years ago, that "other kind" that is broken as species, is NOT able to process this kind of things, as You work digital, if You missing some bits You not able to jump on to new configuration. Women do that well, particularly almost all women who are real are able to do that with out special training.
think You will know it some day even if You not able to believe, and knowing what is correct way to believe just might be enough for last bit as well.. .
But If You are interested to see, if you made for it, then Yes, there is way to test Yourself on SERIOUS dosages of hallucinogens, if you have proper amount real human makeup then you just might realize WHY actually these things are banned by fake church, limited with deep respect by real church and why at any cost banned by Roman kind of thinking army and communist people, with extremely large resources in it to keep people away from it while killing the knowledge, so that no one hooked up in main stream will not be able to suspect (but hey, Silicon Wally CNN Money billionaires was able to make one small piece on it... but even that, long way lacked the actual depth of it, but extremely surprising newer the less, that they dared to make it.. )
This long comment was worth for you as You will live long life, on warm fireplace, and so at least You will be able to give proper thinking start for Your grand children who can start to work on correct side, as your makeup as much we can feel from here seem honest actually. Just Use your own words (instead typical slogans they try to get us speak to) or better even scripture Proverbs words more to weight truths.
Now lets see if other comments are any worth to answer.
Good luck Bob (.. Bob...Sativa ..) Take look at Princess Mononoke beginning truths on the light of Akira ending and Ghost in Cell basics.. and try to see the relation.
Important is imagination, belief and feeling combination for proper human makeup three out of four basic corner stones, four one we will keep as self and in holy Apirited Away.. (one more recommendation.. more easy to talk in these kind of languages then long boring talks.. there was also one worth western caroon in Dream setting about dream.. loads of philosophers inside when traveler travels trough another worlds but am unable to recall name right now.. try to ask some day when u not able to find yourself.. Then start next to pay attention to some illuminating bits on love songs, REAL songs.. not the imitations of feelings and pain but real ones.. then that will.. be second awakening If you able to reach that level, to notice what ruthless and pleasant battle of media waves happening same time.. remeber.. to be "honest" good can Use only some tools to stay good .. the other side will use whatever they can find and invent.. this is why is dangerous to let them systematically invent anything they want in schools.. as they not know who owns the schools and what rituals Theta Nu Epsilon.. The Machine chad chaps do... for what they have this Greek school.. You know now, what i am talking about right ?: )
Peace, we Estonians anyway.. will grow and breed any kinds as and build all kind of Machines when they have usage, and will collapse if they build them self to big for sake of building
God list about +Yekkt I wonder where is the list You know about 500 000, I mean real list, with names and explanations about how and why and what they are, ... or even just names and for what would be good for starters, You know that list?
And oh.. Yes, looking how You look, then there is for sure more then we know.. if all creator beings that someone is worshiped or being possessed by .. and If you think the Greek and India different Gods (they more like creator Angels, Demons and Galactic rulers of different species instead) are all same in Your view.. then the ones who MADE this IN WHERE and OF WHAT they can create and Live in.. Have You not noticed, that most of these gods have not named as the ones who Made humans and the Air ALSO we breath and smell..? Or made believed we do..
But as we do collect the names of different beings as we are about to trace down all old sources of networks who rebel bad and who was useful.. please, provide, good lists.. And true it is, is better to believe even ANY one of them then no one at all.. at least then You are on progress of faster evolution.
But yes, in Short we only believe the one main one that counts to us. And on secret we can say, be on that one is something else, but that is something we can help to think about and learn about when we are side by side, as even no one knows jet, as this is the trouble of God he must guard Her, protect him self from Her, protect and balance all different evils in here by not just eliminating them as they can be used in future, against REAL unknown that he him self also struggles against when that unknown try to break in to in the whole Creation in where is all the other what we call galaxies and worlds, and laboratories of species mind training, , to protect us all from it, not just the good ones.
When i visited him last time, was also not able to figure out what is it, but only Nature was able to protect us from it, for some time (kind of similar situation as in Matrix when the Cutters break in to the S i On ..)
Did that give Ya enough food for Thought or You still like to go back to office and argue on Your free time against something You are made for, so You can justify your burger eating and soda drinking?
+Margus Meigo Maybe my english is weaker then i thought or what you say does not make much sense at all. Anyway, you doubted that their are over 500.000 gods worldwide? Lol, that´s the very minimum. If i start to count gods like the christian one, not as one but as three (father, sun, holy ghost), or count all different names of more or less the same gods as different gods, then the list would be endless. Alone in Hinduism we have about 350.000-3 million different gods. I don´t know about one list that count all gods worldwide, but for example on wikipedia you have lists of gods for every country and timeperiod. That are some hundreds of thousends to start with.
I call all this godclaims bullshit. Humans invented gods to explain stuff like thunder or earthquakes, but we dont need this childish nonesense any longer.
No it is not my English fault if You not able to get any useful information out from it, then It is not meant for You eyes, +Yekkt When You tell something about my Writing skills, and then You answer SOMETHING LIKE THIS to my simple question, WHERE is the list? A "facts" about 500 000 please,
I suspect there is none, the "thousands and thousands" of made up ones and the ones in Wikipedia .. really.. You kind of are able to make up the difference between "thousands and thousands" and Half a Million?
Should be elementary math innit. for university brains as yours.
How can You even say something so silly?
You know really well there is only One God
but these others,that Your education level calls gods as well, even adding them all up , .. well, .. this is how Your science people invent numbers about light years, about age of the earth and about numbers of Gods.. just throw in some random numbers and start to believe it ?
Get serious, you are entertaining but i really hopped better then this. Some professor ACTUAL data listings or proper recorded numbers of god names on different languages and time periods in total perhaps? (you are able to know right that on different times and on different languages they have a DIFFERENT names for SAME expressions right? This alone makes "thousands and thousands" just for ONE single expression to count all languages and on different time period, in islam there is like 90+ names.. in India they have God expressed on different parts as seperate so human mind would be able to compute SOME parts of god at least... and well.. besides few other reasons what more is happening there but that would be to much over our heads to go in to now, if we would know perfectly.. then would be another story.. )
+bob loblaw i know even people who have read perfect English in bible and still not able to get the point what it says, even thought it is MOST simple and low level explanation for even to the silliest and smart one all in one. (so it is not about skills of my English AS much as about the reader desire in heart to understand, You can ask understanding from God and then You know what i say, personally to you, it really works, as promised, the trick is ... that God judges and behaves with You as YOU are.. as YOU would do it.. just on higher level.. so i hope You are kind.. so he can be kind with You...top of everything else). (surprise!)
all in one u know like spirit and body and all in one as You and Your Wife, if You experience proper love and are in ONE BODY
But i guess You would not know about that to much or we would not spend time here for this kind of mundane "arguments" .. not that there is Anything to argue about for me,
it is just clear as it is, that we should help the world to become better to the end, and join in with (Wife) love
(or you will stay stuck as wasted sperm on your mothers tits, i bet some of You still drink milk )
Oh.. i almost went out of hand, just remember the hallucinogens WITH manifestation for getting better to know God of Your Wife, and when You find out more how to educate people about life, try to search us up and let us know as well, sharing is caring
and you DO realize, that space-stations is so brutally limited joke compared to REAL science of time and space travel that nature has that i doubt there is good comparison to it
(wanted to compare writing on cave wall with a stone compared to laser printer but that would be not as big difference... or compared Christmas cookie bear to a Real bear.. even that comparison would perhaps not show the length of difference in advancement of everything compared to this stone age kids play jokes they try to travel space with on these days . It is not even nice to laught about people like Carl S. as it would be like laughing about Hawkings as he cant run well.. he is not made for that... )
+Margus Meigo Nah, that's just stupid, it's 100% about skills of your English, and why are you trying to change the subject? Why would I ask understanding from god? This isn't about god, or people understanding the bible, this is about your inability to communicate clearly. Quit blaming the reader, and their "desire in heart to understand." The reason I learned to read in the first place was so I wouldn't have to involve my heart in understanding. And of course there isn't anything for you to argue, I asked for evidence and you don't have any, end of argument.
and for explanation i told, that these who are not CREATED to see these levels, will not see, just because you intelligent enough to write in internet and to go by university program does not mean you are intelligent enough to understand bible or need for the need of believing of God
Most of the University people world is made up with beliefs with not lot of ground on them that can stay same for thousands of years, from beginning to the end.
The size of cosmos and black holes and all that is so complete joke that is not even worth to laugh about, if we compare the importance of THIS what they do and to THAT what we need to do. Little children with small education know what we need to do, it is coded in to our hearts.
+Web -Trawler and once you are able to understand science truly then you might even understand some day beginning of religion.
Why would i laugh about science? It is one elementary tools of god what we call "science" i laugh kindly at people who worship the tools and activities instead of living god who we should cherish about.
+Margus Meigo " and once you are able to understand science truly then you might even understand some day beginning of religion"....
Are you serious? Science deals with truth and Peer Reviewed Evidence. Religion does the opposite. It uses Faith. Which is just intellectually dishonest. It "Avoids" Evidence. Because they just aren't compatible.
Put simply. All Religions work backwards. They start with the Truth. Or "Word of God". Then find Evidence that seems to fit the Theocracy. Science just follows the Evidence. No Pre conceived endgame. No Agenda. Just going where it leads, without claiming to know where it will lead first.
If you can't see or understand that perfectly valid point? Then you DEFFINATELY don't get what Science is about. And why it clashes with Religion on so many level's who claim to know the answer first!! With no Proof I might add!!
+Web -Trawler there is nothing to mystical "understand" about science, it is just brain interface for working with nature and to map the world according to some humans mind in a way they interlink with similar methods, it is just knowing and known methods of testing the knowings and putting them in to action. While inventing new ones, at rate times.
But the thing is whatever version anyone develops about explaining mind workings with nature they still have to rap that around reality in a way it is. When someone slaps you and you describe it as "greeting" and explain around there story with extensive data why it is so, this does not change the nature of slap, and when You get your theories solid then next step will be given and next as long You are able to come in terms again with that from where You, as a human collective, run away and do that, what is asked and needed. And then You can perhaps put some of the human methods to work but for now it is like children virtual play. Most of it.
People invent airplane we say but fling was here LONG time ago and there is physical approach to it when you are in a faith of Newton and there is another approach to it from outside to in, from a point of view of the ones who manage time and space material and know how to move any parts in any size to any combination we are able to imagine, but this is supper simple, as it is on computer screen (well, not AS simple but just to make sense what can we do with zeros and ones, basically.)
Everything we have here also is for reason to describe higher usage of similar but another dimensional tools and actions, including politics and laws.
"not understand science" is telling like "you do not understand how tv works" when one knows enough about how picture ends up in screen and how they are produced. It is not magic, not to much of a magi.
Yes some of You know how to build a motherboard or building selenium rectifier for old TV.. but You should know, that You just worker on this one small aria, You can also have skills of near best CEO of IBM or TV producer but it is not always necessary to know the details to know the whole, and knowing the details you can still be completely blind on whole, You see that?
This is all same way with religion and knowings of what we need to do and know in life, as there is skills of whole spectrum from great vision to smell or controlling your body organs a bit.. there is also skills to know what is not good and what is right. Skills to know what is best thing to do out of things we do and on what order. You know, there is skills like that, and these are always not trainable in ordinary state school system, unless well, You got the greatest state in galaxies
+Margus Meigo Hey! Remember that time you said, "that bible is the most correct collection of words there is on earth for now"? I thought that was as stupid as anyone could possibly be, and now I just want to admit I was wrong, I seriously underestimated you.
+Margus Meigo Ok, obviously you are crazy or unreal bad educated. I told you that you can find great lists with many hundreds of thousends of different gods on wikipedia for example.
And i wonder how you can doubt this number, the real number of all gods humans made up in the last 100.000 years is endless. Nearly every country have had his own gods, and even if you pick a god, like the christian one, then again you have about 39.000 different denominations. All this childish "my god is real" claims, are as stupid as they are useless. Come back when you can prove that your god (no matter in wich you belive) is more real then lets say Zeus, Odin or the flying sphagettimonster.
+Julian Nikolay Krogh-Fredriksen Your so brainwashed that you can't see all the lies in THE TEXT BOOKS! Atheists think THEY are the free thinkers! But Creationists are doing what scientists themselves are supposed to be doing, "questioning" everything!
+Kathryn94 There's a difference between "questioning" and denying. And there's more to science than just questioning everything, there's observation and testing too. So when are creationists going to get past the "questioning everything" phase, and get around to presenting evidence for their wild ass claims?
+Yekkt I an here , and i have proved it and everyone has proved it. For starters, there is no time counting for "time before spagetty monster" and there is no bible that is accepted globally as most correct writing there ever is, in biggest amount of translations, websites, institutions, and longest lasting Earth tradition with largest number of intellectuals supporting it from ALL different religious and scientific circles, then ANY other seperate belief .
Why are you made so blind, created so blind? I know.. to test our patience.
Oh and you still have not bring me up some list of 100 000 different gods... as you know why? You can not back your made up stuff up, as if you would bother to look, you would see that behind any description of real god from any culture, is one and same, god.
And if you must know, Holy-est is vagina. I guess you need to know .
+Margus Meigo hey Margus, you think you are able to debate with me?! Here my advise, run away like all the other christians do, sooner or later. To convince me that your immaginare skydaddy is real, you need evidence and good arguments, and we both know that you have none. So let´s see what you had to say: "I an here , and i have proved it and everyone has proved it.
(You are talking glibberish. Wtf are you talking about? For all i know you have proven nothing, then that you are an uneducated fool.)
For starters, there is no time counting for "time before spagetty monster"
(Oh realy? Facepalm)
and there is no bible that is accepted globally as most correct writing there ever is, in biggest amount of translations, websites, institutions,
(Are you kidding? Seriously you can not be so dumb to realy belive what you just said, do you?! The bible is written over a long period of time, by (mostly) unknown, uneducated authors, has been translated and added and been rewritten over and over again. If you want to realise how unreal stupid the bible is, watch for example the short video Quizshow from nonstampcollector.)
and longest lasting Earth tradition
(What a nonesense, humans exist on this planet for about 100-200.000 years, 98% of this time 100% of all humans worldwide gave a fuck about your jesus.)
with largest number of intellectuals supporting it
(Lol intellectuals like you? Or are you talking about talking snakes or donkeys?)
from ALL different religious
(Maybe from most of the about 39.000 christian denominations, but for sure not from one of the other thousends of religions worldwide. Hey and don´t blame me for the fact that not even the christians can agree on any aspect of their childish fantasystorys.)
and scientific circles, then ANY other seperate belief .
(Ok, now it becomes realy stupid. Can you please explain to me any scientific method that helpes your point? Science only deals with stuff that you can measure, test and observe, for all i know gods, fairys or devils are not included in this. But hey i am realy looking farward for your examples from the science community.)
Why are you made so blind, created so blind? I know.. to test our patience.
(Hey you have to blame your god for the way he made me, or not? I was blind when i used to be a christian. Then i read the bible, and studied history. I lerned about all the other religions, and why humans created gods to explain what they have not been able to explain. Lerning and gaining knowleadge made me become an atheist. Blind and intelectually lazy are people like you that accept the religion and the denomination of the country they have been born and then stop thinking. Or do you realy think you would belive in christ, if you had been born in Iran, or ancient greece? Lol!!!)
Oh and you still have not bring me up some list of 100 000 different gods... as you know why? You can not back your made up stuff up, as if you would bother to look, you would see that behind any description of real god from any culture, is one and same, god.
(Ok, now i know for sure that you are either a troll and kidding, or so unreal stupid that i have to question myself if you are worth my time. So you say that for example the people who warshiped gods like Odin, Zeus, Wotan, Neptun, Ra, Horus, Jupiter, Thor and so on warshiped your Jesus? Why Jesus, why not Chrishna or Mythras (same story like Jesus and lived before him)
How can you doubt 100.000+ gods? Hinduism alone has 350.000 gods. Go to wikipedia, search for any timeperiod or country and see the endless number of gods worldwide.
You wrote such a long text, but still there was not a single argument in it, that showes that your god is real. All i want is just one single argument why it was your god that created this universe and no other god, is this realy too much to ask? Or can you present me your evidence that jesus was able to turn water into wine, or do you have the same evidence for this nonesense like all the other religions, with claims like that Mohamad flew to heaven on a winged horse? Yeah, thought so, come back when you have something usefull to say, and stop wasting my time with childish fairytales full of talking snakes, and women made out of rips and virgins that give birth. Thx!!!
+Yekkt Lol, You are easy one, i actually made us a favor and read your long comment for respect as well as beginning was so promising and epic. Still no list thought :( And as usually, missing the point that these all other part gods got life from the one that am call proper God, mmmkay?
But as usually, there is no sense of great usefulness in a words spoken even in scientific terms in people who are non religious. (lucky for me to know that You know Really well.. the truth.. well but what humans know about that uh?)
and as You stated so perfectly, that i have not much to add here:
" Science only deals with stuff that you can measure, test and observe, for all i know gods, fairys or devils are not included in this."
this is so good i say it once more:
" Science only deals with stuff that you can measure, test and observe, for all i know gods, fairys or devils are not included in this."
i think this sentence narrows it down, could i even write it better? Maybe, but that is so good i think will save it to others who need to remind them self, for what science is good. This what as You know..., people in earth want to think or believe science is ...
Oh, great thanks once more for the great final points, am think it is all solved now ?
Correct me, if people still need extra show, explanation or "debate" as it is called in Earth visitor words.
+Margus Meigo Wow, it´s good that even in a hundred years people will be able to read this chat and realise that theists have absolute no argument. Your answer was so weak, you have not answered even a single one of my questions, you have not debunked a single one of my arguments, and you have still not presented even a single argument for your skydaddy to be real. Disgraceful.
+Yekkt ok, let me try 1) ceiling cat cannot be proven or disproven by logic or science, because It is beyond logic. 2) some things that are not logical do seem to exist. ergo, 3) ceiling cat may exist.
+Yekkt What there is to debunk about? You try to argue against Your maker, this is so unintelligible as it can get, literally. Why would i need to bring some "proof" for something that is all around You but as you afraid to see you refuse not to ?
There is hope for Your kind, it is called Ayuasca Spirit Vine (getting from wrong shaman you can lose your soul but your case that might not be big loss or possible anyway), magic mushrooms and LSD in high dosages might be do it as well,
Everything you has sayd has been debunked so high level that it takes great multitudes of intelligence upgrade to even start to realize it, in case you did not by now.
Oh and why am arguing with a lowest corner of you when you got more intelligent spirits in you as well ?
__ (and please, save yourself some dignity and do not make anything so silly, that you try scientifically look ayuasca or hallucinogenics, as this basically as retarded idea, as try to look Bible scientifically.. just more)
I have i think told you that already, HOW can you see and then try to figure out how to explain something so immeasurable way big and holder of all shapes with so simplistic tools as "measurement"
You already told, yourself what the science is good for.. why we even have to spend time to tell it once more ? As we know, most things in existence will not be measurable because creation is efficient
+N Marbletoe Why didn't you just say that? All is clear now! I thought you might be a crazy Christian! And yes. A cat has brought me many thing's. Including a plaintive meow! Which is in fact one of their commandment's. Something about feed thy neighbour's cat! :o)
+N Marbletoe I wonder what your point is. I don´t say that gods do not exist, how could i? All i say is that i don´t belive in this or that god because their is no evidence to support the claim that he does exist. Is this realy so hard to understand?
+Margus Meigo Sry i don´t understand glibberish, and what you said included (again) not a single argument.
Come back when you are able to provide any evidence for stuff like this:
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What is your evidence for cain killing abel?
What is your evidence for the burning bush?
what is your evidence for the red sea parting?
what is your evidence for serpents talking?
what is your evidence for the garden of eden?
what is your evidence for heaven and hell?
what is your evidence for satan?
what is your evidence for noah living for 1000 years?
what is your evidence for david beating goliath?
what is your evidence for mary being a virgin?
what is your evidence for angels existing?
what is your evidence for the ark?
what is your evidence for manna falling from the sky?
what is your evidence for lots wife being turned into a pillar of salt?
what is your evidence for jonah being swallowed by a whale?
what is your evidence for jesus walking on water?
what is your evidence for jesus turning water into wine?
+Yekkt ok, that's cool. i also don't really beleive in any one religion's god, but i do believe in god, partly from seeing how far logic and reason can go in this crayzy universe. which is very far but not all the way! so my point is that god is an illogical concept, but that doesn't make it impossible or even unlikely.
+N Marbletoe Hm, belive what ever makes you happy, but i wonder what the basic for your belive is? How do you know about the god you belive in? What do this god want? were is your evidence that he exist? Is it one of the about 500.000 gods we allready have worldwide, or have you made up one more?
You say your god is likely to exist, that depends on what attributes you give to him. If it´s a god who cares about what you are doing when you are naked, or on what days you work, or if he has attributes like allpowerfull, allknowing or allloving, well then he is very unlikely to exist.
In my view it is useless to belive in gods as long you don´t have any evidence that they are real, but spiritual people like you are not the problem, you don´t blow yourself up or force your lifestyle onto others, so belive what ever you can make yourself belive.
+Yekkt Thanks for understanding that i won't blow someone up to convert them! I respect your view, and thus earn some respect myself i hope.
I give to my god the attributes i find in nature, plus a tiny bit. It's like the tiny bit you need to get from a converging infinite series to the actual limit. There is always a bit more to reality than we can possibly know, imho.
I reckon i have a god of the gaps concept when it comes to science -- god stays out of the way very carefully, letting atoms and animals do what they will. I put this to two things: G_d wants the universe to have free will (the most important gift after existence, one might think), and G_d creates things that are themselves creative. Existence isn't Newtonian, deterministic and dull, it's full of surprises and always will be. So that's nice, we won't get bored.
There is no doubt to me that all gods are the same thing. This is surely true if they don't exist (0=0), and if there is a god phenomenon in the universe, all the religions seek it like daisies trying to reach the sun.
I often write G_d because nobody knows the name, we're all just whistling in the dark. Now and then there is a hint of a celestial orchestra, heard by each one as if coming from all things. Whatever that means :_)
Allpowerful, allknowing, and allloving, yes i'd say all three. To make sense of this i think requires taking free will as a prime gift to the universe, worth more than freedom from suffering, or even life itself. And it helps if there is a way out of suffering, whether buddhist enlightenment or christian heaven...
+N Marbletoe How could i show respect for your belive? Respect has to be earned. Everybody can make shit up, and it is nothing but stupid to belive in stuff without evidence. The "god of the gaps" has never helped to explain stuff. Or would you say it has helped to explain stuff like earthquakes, vulcanic eruptions and so on with "god made it", or even more stupid "my god made it"?!
And i can debunk your childish idea of a god very fast. Allpowerfull: Can he create a rock so heavy that he can not lift it? Either way he is not allpowerfull.
And you can not be allknowing and alloving at the same time. For example, if you know that somebody is going to rape a child, but you do not help to prevent it, you are not alloving.
Allknowing is unlogicall in every sense. For example, how can you know how it feels to die, or not to know something, or how it feels to be fucked in the ass by a fad old dude, and so on.
You should realy think about what you belive and if it makes any sense.
+Yekkt Right, the God of the Gaps doesn't explain stuff. I am a scientist, and have no use for a God hypothesis in biology. It's not reasoning that leads me to the feeling -- subjective and only semi-logical -- that there is a creative force that began the universe and watches over it like a loving parent.
Now imagine you are a parent and it comes time when your kids go off to college. Are you going to ride along all Freshman year, attend their classes, pick things up when they drop them, and most importantly go to all the parties?
If you say no, you'd be guilty of knowing danger exists and not stopping it. If you say yes, you'd tail your kids all their lives, you rob them of freedom. Which would you choose in this real-world example?
This is a minor example, from the world of the finite. Now let's expand it. You (or I, or bob) create a universe and we want it to have cause and effect. Time. Space. Ya know, a place where things can really happen!
Time: time = change, change = suffering. Because we get attached to the things we use/ want/ need, when they change we suffer. Change is inevitable in an 'interesting' universe (where things can happen). Thus, suffering goes along with existence like two sides to a coin.
So we have a choice, we three gods: 1) forget the project, no universe today! or 2) allow suffering in the universe. How do you vote? (A merciful god would create some salve for suffering. But that's another question.)
Very similar argument with free will -- it causes suffering, but which would you personally rather have, 1) a future with no free will and no pain (say, in a waking coma), or 2) a normal life with all the risk and pains and bother?
In sum, god is good, and god is powerful, and we should be thankful for life, the universe, and everything, and quit whining.
+bob loblaw i think i know what you mean -- if god knows past and future, it must be determined already, and so free will is an illusion. The fact that physics is not deterministic does not answer your challenge (but if physics were deterministic, you would win right there).
The obvious solution is that free will is an illusion globally (god view) but appears real to anyone smaller than the universe (human view). Scientifically, if we cannot in principle tell that something is an illusion, we are free to take it as real. I believe that quantum mechanics agrees with that: the Wheeler-DeWitt equation of the quantum state of the entire universe has no passage of time. Yet, the Schrodinger equation for any sub-system in the universe does have time passing and things changing.
One could also, without getting into physics, simply counter that god also has the power to 'look away.' She can let things happen... say, by a combination of chance (the 'free will' of quanta) and the free will of living creatures. Since there is no loss of power implied in making a choice to NOT do something, it's not a paradoxical situation: G_d rests while things go their own ways.
The rock paradox still exists, but i'm not sure it has to be solved, or can be solved, or that either way it's relevant to god's existence rather than the nature of logic. Could god make logic that's sometimes illogical? Well something sure did!
Paradoxes seem impossible but they keep coming up. Maybe we should not assume that paradox = unreal. For example, we have Zeno's paradox that proves movement is impossible, and yet 'it moves.' I think paradoxes are one way god ensures we get a laugh now and then.
+Yekkt am not really care about these "evidences" you looking on be on the bible (you do know right, that it is written on Jewish intelligence level as well, eg. one of the highest levels there is... and that means ALL of data ("proof")is not as impotent, not even relevant at times, as FOR WHAT and WHY the data is? I know that might be not possible to understand in ROman thinking mind.. but try at least.. to see bigger picture then the small box of looking "evidence".. what a silly idea.. this "evidence" you can look besides the point, for Your entertainment if you think that helps and benefits the consent and story of facts, the level of bible evidence is above head of most beings, you feel not to sorry about it if You not know anyone who can get it..)
They still true, bible still true but that's not the point of it, you got it?
But of-course, there is NO reason to think that these things did not happen as this is irrelevant as in this book is ALL bits that is NEEDED to activate ANY kind of human mind in any time line in any situation if heart is opened to it, Our makers re not linear thinkers just, to make one purpose tool just for reading and remembering and for morals... etc, its much more
But bible does warn, to not argue with a fool as the one who sees it might not be able to make difference who is who
as this is the trick of fools, to bring others to their level with low thinking and low limited logic where even simple things as time and space travel and transformation of mater is not taken in to account
+Yekkt and all these dirty dreams you had about "if God knows how it is ... by old man.." - in fact this is BASIC, of-course!
One does not have to DO these things to know to be higher beings, they can "calculate" the answers as they have another kind of languages besides limited one what we use, they know every cell and what reaction and taste combination of electrons that it will do in any combinations of current emotional state and if they want (or He/She want, as if You want to talk about a God, as its proper) they can just Know the answer.. for beings who can MAKE mater with their mind, these kind of calculations is not something unknown
and the thing is they can know how it is FOR You, (not for them as for them it foes not exist as something that is needed) .. and they can see and know you as a small peace of clay between the fingers how ever big You are here.
Yes, and they can also great as big stone that this will suffocate them self, this is also basic this is why they make sure only the ones who are smart will get to these levels what needed, so "just for heck of it" would not be done nothing big, doing this size stone means removing all life and this is not on the plan so it will not be done,
Why would you even think so silly ideas, no wonder you not even able to meet aliens, newer the less the God or God beings if you thinking in spoiled kindergarten level, really really silly. Grow up and start to take responsibility of these thoughts.
(and besides knowing, that you took this "sex with man " thought from DarkMater video.. they also know Why you bring up this kind of thoughts in your mind.. and other thoughts You had... I think you agree as well, that these kind of beings and humans who blame God on these kind of bad things you say that humans and other spirits do.. should be eliminated for the crease of others, i know you agree with that one. )
The unbelievers is most naive cute group of people .. their dream of a God is something that will prevent ALL bad in any kind and keeps everything all times only in perfect state.
It like 5 years old, cute.. but when 25 years old or someone in running state has this kind of idea that "if it is not like that then i close my eyes and not wanting it"
then it becomes trouble some..
its like they not able to think out REAL life.. only some illusion about God and Gods where everyone is high and smile all the time on background music
Life is hard work, to keep so great amount of creations and life's, and energy's working .. specially if you got punch of spoiled brats who just keep taking piss on others people life.
Soon all unbelievers will be hospitalized, You will see, this day will come (well, this planet also, is one layer of hospital for soul... but that's another story..)
If You lack ability to directly see or feel, as the proper people, then There is LOADS of plants in nature made for You that can reconfigure .. and grow you.. and possess you in ways that it will show and teach you about "extra" of this world.. and when you get on the level, of intelligence, that you see that it is truthfully impossible to Know but is needed to serve and keep doing that what we should do here : everything better... then , that's proper beginner level from where...
As Long people are in unbeliever state this is not even on the intelligence measurement scale , even if they run university .. because HOW he knows, will be near useless. And easy to import to another people... but Knowing the feeling of, personal relationship to Creator.. this is something that have to be grown, can not be imported as this is not a point of it, as apple tree can not produce USB sticks in Earth setting, as it is not a point of this tree
(in some other level this can be also but that's another matter and no reason to confuse yourself with it, just mentioning it in case some proper wizards or believers read it.. to make them smile )
+Margus Meigo What a glibberish strange text from you was this all?! I thought my english is pretty good, but i was not able to find a single logic argument un your text. Only some strange stuff about spirits, and what gods are able to do and so on. How do you know what a god is? What they can and what not? What is a spirit and how do you know? Honestly, can you please back up anything of what you just said?
And what is an unbeliver? Everybody who does not belive exactly the same what you belive. I bet when it comes to 499.999 out of 500.000 gods you are an unbeliver like me, or not?
I hope your next comment makes any sense, or this conversation is over. I am no psychodoctor so i see no use in debating with mental ill people, sry!
+Yekkt you always talk in plural "gods" as You would have any idea, is there one, or three or "500 000" as random numbers you keep making up with no proof of list with attached proof that they any gods by textual description at least or in folk tale even,
Few times am meet god can say one is pretty humble, and few other times one has felt just a bit of god.. one can say there is nothing more powerful to be,
but what am talking to you, you not even meet, see or believe so yeah, save your breath (you do know, where breath comes from right ...?)
+Margus Meigo Well you'd have to get to my level first. But I digress, this isn't about the bible, or gods, or any other words you randomly place in your comments. I am only addressing your inability to communicate in English.
+bob loblaw that shows what kind of "level" you are if You measure people by their ability to speak ONE of the thousands of languages, and not even one of the more intelligent languages but and English.
In how many advanced languages You are fluent again?
There have been different times when one or another group thought their language will rule the world.. and hey, these languages are nearly gone by now
+bob loblaw what a waste of time to talk with this kind of "Level" of people who measure people by they English ability not about what they are or what they talk about. What next, start to measure people spiritual or intellectual worth by the speed they run or by the color of their natural hair?
+Margus Meigo Sure i use a plural when it comes to gods. There are so fucking many of them that humans made up in the last 50.000 years. And it is stupid to doubt this 500.000 number. i myself can make up a trillion gods, and they are as real as your god. Here, one example. I say the only real god is Thtveusfdf he created the universe by jerking of, this is known as the big bang. Now proofe to me that this god does not exist, or realise that i have the same amount of evidence that this god created the universe like you have for your god. And by the way
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+Margus Meigo Haha! I'm not measuring you by your inability to speak English because I think English is superior, I'm measuring you by your inability to speak English because English is the language in which we're communicating, or in your case attempting to communicate in this thread.
+Margus Meigo You seem to speak of atheists as a group of people that all believe the same thing. I hate pigeonholing so i dont put myself in any group but i dont like any religeon either. I think any group of people that regularly get together to preach about a man made book that tells them how they should all live is a cult if you ask me so i live as a free human (as free as is possible in this world) I do my own studies and i make my own mind up and i always question what i think i know so that i can become better informed as i get older. I do not preach or force my beliefs on anyone however.
+Yekkt the your version is correct one that you made up but it is only useful if it comes with connected testable values. So work on that as well and then we might get to somewhere. All the Calvinists and Orthodox etc have SAME god not a different one just another idea how would be best to serve and fallow the workings of the Nature.
All these another versions are for reasons to handle all the tricks that is made with human mind to send them all, how ever way they try to hide from truth or go to truth.. to send them all in to one spot.
And yes, god and sex (or jerking off as you call it) is really near to reality, keep on it you might get to somewhere, and ALL true believers in any version of beliefs anyway, agree with each other, including shamans and witches and Mormons
and stop inventing this 500 000 number, that gets boring and means what? Can you calm down when i tell you: yes, there is at least 500 000 ways humans can be connected to a God and experience world? Did that get you off from your random 500 000 number?
+Andrew Clifft fair enough Andrew, you believe humans them self write books and revelations (revelation as a grouped knowledge realization about workings of world that is far ahead of usage by any part of the data on current time ). Perhaps you should look in to US Gov own 60s study when they took huge group of scientists with unsolved problems, scientifically not known by any institution... give them all same day LSD and about 95% of problems (or was it 48 questions out of 50 ) to REAL SCIENTIFIC theoretical and practical, mechanical "problems" was found solution. This should You get thinking, how that worked and why that is not done publicly anymore.. ; )
Oh, and Quakers are one of the most real ones out of the list You mentioned as they most similar to Estonia Old Ones am feel, they speak on tongues and know rules of world in most part with out dogma ..
but for now, some time , little bit more, the different powers are segregated .. just for a time being.
But yes, please do not insult humans and language by telling, that English language is Superior. This is just silly, people who think like that are doomed to not know how world is or why it is as this language has limitation alone, to reach to all needed understandings of time and space. With ease. It is also not the best language for wizard or spells as the language have clear limitations in so many arias. Made in purpose so many of us see, that humans would be not able to think higher level.
but am think there is even ways to solve that problem, as it is also one of the languages "in angel" .. so there is some other, higher spiritual reasons for that language.
But i still like this language for robotics reason, even thought for humans it does make brain work and think really ... well, not so natural.
It is near impossible as the man, to see all the beauty and think all the ways by only knowing the thinking in English (or to think in Roman, English way in other languages.. also does not help as the structure how thought batters and solutions interconnect is still fallowing same logic and pack of rules that human has made him self to know to be as only option how is "correct" )
+Margus Meigo See? Your replies are a perfect illustration of my point. I didn't say English was superior to any language (but you did imply English is inferior to a few languages, ironic much?), and now you're being smug, condescending, and hypocritical because your English skills are poor, and you misread what was written. English isn't for everyone, perhaps you should communicate in a language you understand.
+Margus Meigo Haha! Really, professor linguistics? And what other accompanied elaborate melody sung (as in an opera) by a single voice would be more suitable? Do you know what's inferior to English? Your grasp of it.